Donatism was an indirect outcome of Diocletian's persecutions. The governor of Africa had been lenient towards the large Christian minority under his rule during the persecutions. He was satisfied when Christians handed over their Scriptures as a token repudiation of their faith. Some Christians acceded to this convenient action. When the persecutions came to an end, however, they were branded traditores, "those who handed (the holy things) over" by the zealous, mostly from the poorer classes.[2]
Like the Novatianist schism of the previous century,[3] the Donatists were rigorists, holding that the church must be a church of "saints," not "sinners," and that sacraments, such as baptism, administered by traditores were invalid. Probably in 311,[citation needed] a new bishop of Carthage, Caecilian, was consecrated by someone who had allegedly been a traditor, Felix of Aptungi; his opponents consecrated a short-lived rival, who was succeeded by Donatus, after whom the schism was named.
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From the writing of the Donatists - proto-protestants, who refused to let into communion people who have given the scriptures to be burned by the pagan persecutors of the pre-constantine era.:
"Some fell from faith at the critical moment by handing over to unbeliev-
ers the scriptures of the Lord and the divine testaments so they could be
burned in unholy fires. But how many more in preserving them bravely
resisted by freely shedding their blood for them! When the devil had been
completely defeated and ruined and all the martyrs were filled with God’s
presence, bearing the palm of victory over suffering, they sealed with
their own blood the verdict against the traitors and their associates, reject-
ing them from communion of the Church. For it was not right that there
should be martyrs and traitors in the Church of God at the same time."
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Acts of the Abitinian Martyrs in TILLEY
Only one day after the Tunisian museum attack.....
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-buries-woman-beaten-death-mob-070621856.html
Only one day after the Tunisian museum attack.....
http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-buries-woman-beaten-death-mob-070621856.html
Afghanistan buries woman beaten to death by mob
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghan women's rights activists dressed head-to-toe in black broke with tradition Sunday to carry the coffin of a woman who was beaten to death by a mob in the capital Kabul over allegations she had burned a Quran.
The mob of men beat 27-year-old Farkhunda before throwing her body off a roof, running over it with a car, setting it on fire and throwing it into a river near a well-known mosque.
The attack was apparently sparked by allegations that Farkhunda, who like many Afghans has just one name, had set fire to a Quran. But Afghanistan's most senior detective said no evidence had been found to support those claims.
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Part of the complexity of demonstrating the manner in whichthe Circumcelliones were in fact part and parcel of the realization ofDonatist political theology is found in the fact that the Numidian group
(radical Donatists)has always been stigmatized as excessively fanatical barbarian “dis-ruptors” hell-bent on eradicating any semblance of Roman “civilization.”
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WHO ELSE STILL USES THE TERM "ROMANS" FOR THEIR POLITICAL AND ESCHATOLOGICAL DISCOURSE?:
Tunisia's Bardo museum: treasure hoard that was to spearhead tourism drive
Some buildings on the site date back to the 14th century, while objects in the museum reflect the colourful and complex history of Tunis
Tunisia’s Bardo National Museum is a top attraction for tourists, a sprawling complex that houses a world-famous collection of Roman mosaics and celebrates all the country’s rich, diverse history. The same fame and international importance that draws hundreds of thousands of visitors a year may also have drawn the gunmen who turned it into a slaughterhouse on Wednesday.
’Up until now, 80% of our market targeted seaside tourism,” tourism minister Selma Elluni Rekik told the Ansa news agency on Tuesday. “We now want to focus also on cultural tourism, valorising our archaeological sites like Carthage, El Jam and the Bardo National Museum, where the richest collection of Roman mosaics in the world is kept.”
Tunisia’s Bardo National Museum is a top attraction for tourists, a sprawling complex that houses a world-famous collection of Roman mosaics and celebrates all the country’s rich, diverse history. The same fame and international importance that draws hundreds of thousands of visitors a year may also have drawn the gunmen who turned it into a slaughterhouse on Wednesday.
’Up until now, 80% of our market targeted seaside tourism,” tourism minister Selma Elluni Rekik told the Ansa news agency on Tuesday. “We now want to focus also on cultural tourism, valorising our archaeological sites like Carthage, El Jam and the Bardo National Museum, where the richest collection of Roman mosaics in the world is kept.”
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"In the Donatist worldview, with its deeply eschatological sense
of separation from the world, of civitas Dei (the Church) pitted against the civitas Diaboli (the world and false Christians), it is no surprise that the walls of the garden of salvation (Cant. 4:12) would require brave Christians willing for their defense against the citizens of the civitas Diaboli wishing to overtake it.Circumcelliones were reported to have actively prepared for martyrdom, going so far as to create provocations with non-Donatist Christians so as to be murdered............".............
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"What Mohammed Ibn 'Abdul-Wahab insisted upon -- and what is followers today insist upon -- is that men with the sword judge on behalf of God here on earth, and on all matters, small and big. This is where the Saudi Kingdom and ISIS fit. They are outside the boundaries of mainstream Islam, in that they refuse to even concede that they speak as representatives of a sect. Wahhabis (of all stripes) protest to even the name of Wahhabis: we are only Muslims, they assert; i.e. they alone are Muslim and everyone else is a kafir [unbeliever] who should be fought as ancient pagans at the time of Mohammad. Wahhabis claim that they represent the 'true Islam' when the strength of Islam throughout the ages is that there is no such thing as 'the true Islam.'"...........
Just to be clear, this joint claim derives from them both sharing the same doctrinal foundation: ʿAbd al-Wahhab's key text, The Book of Monotheism.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/obama-isis-not-islamic_b_5843830.html
PREPARED FOR MARTYRDOM......AGAINST THE ROMANS
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For this reason Augustine noted that they lived as robbers, died as Circumcelliones, and were honored as martyrs. The emphasis on martyrdom and the cult of the martyr in Cir-cumcellion theology goes to show more than just the polemicized aspects that Augustine spun in order to discredit them. For these agrestes , Donatism lent Berber-Punic descendents a means of coping with their status of subjugation at the hands of the landed Roman elite........
[the parallel here is clear - Islamic terrorism is a response to colonialism - - - -]
[the parallel here is clear - Islamic terrorism is a response to colonialism - - - -]
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Though this example of collegiality has been studied
before for the purposes of understanding the evolution of bishops in
early church history, it is my opinion that the collegiality of North
Africans bishops, along with theseniores laici, is best understood
within the framework of the Donatist concept of an impending eschatology. The end of days was soon to come, God had given humanity the ark of salvation in preparation for the eschaton and the leaders and ministers of the ark, the Church, were to act as if the eschaton was already upon them. This is an example of bringing North African belief into their real world and everyday life, hence creating a political theology.
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http://concordiatheology.org/2014/10/eschatology-and-the-islamic-state/
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http://concordiatheology.org/2014/10/eschatology-and-the-islamic-state/
- Why eschatology? Because beliefs about the end times are often central to the motives of Islamic groups. This is certainly the case with ISIS. Dr. Furnish illustrated eschatology of ISIS with Dabiq,their English-language magazine. The name itself refers to a Syrian town where, according to a hadith (a saying by the Prophet Muhammad), a great battle will be fought, ushering in the last times. And there is more than the name. The magazine makes it clear that ISIS believes it is engaging in an end-times struggle against forces of unbelief, injustice, and evil—including Christianity. They are, in the words of Dr. Furnish’s title, “fighting for the end of the [Christian] world.”
In particular, as the Atlantic piece brings out, ISIS has an apocalyptic vision, and crucially, its adherents fervently believe in an imminent eschatology, culminating in a climactic battle against the “Romans” on the Plains of Dabiq in Syria. (Note that the latest ISIS snuff film documenting the beheading of the innocent Copts included a warning that they were coming to Rome.)
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=9160
source on Donatism:

"Wahhabis claim that they represent the 'true Islam' when the strength of Islam throughout the ages is that there is no such thing as 'the true Islam.'"
ОтговорИзтриванеYes this also fits for the Political Jesuitism and its neverending search of ecumenical fornication with every cult and Christian denomination. "There's no such thing as 'true Christianity'" therefore the best Christianity is the biggest denomination (Catholicism) and the most fitted to manage this material world.
BTW many thanks for this discovery which only confirms their anti-Christian crusade.
Изтриване"There's no such thing as 'true Christianity'". It means that every kind of Christianity is NOT PERFECT therefore OBLIGED to perfect. NOT PERFECT Christian cults must be liquidated and this is the SPIRITUAL EVOLUTIONISM coming from Origen, and at the basis of nuts like the 15 century of Continuing Holocaust of Christians.
The Continuing Revising the Bible, ("down with KJB-onlysm!" Crusade) is only the prosecution of those 15 centuries of Crusades among the paper.
I pray God Allmighty so send soon His Son, our Lord, and destroy these larval Gnostic entities from Hell.
ИзтриванеThe survival of the fittest. The biggest and most ferocious beast is the king of the jungle.Forgot to add something :
Изтриване[ ......Donatism lent Berber-Punic descendents a means of coping with their status of subjugation at the hands of the landed Roman elite........]
[the parallel here is clear - Islamic terrorism is a response to colonialism - - - -]
It means that every kind of Christianity is NOT PERFECT therefore OBLIGED to perfect. "
ИзтриванеReincarnation is another tale invented by the Gnostic to spread their bloody Evolutionism. Mass murders are a consequence of a will of their Sophia (or Hidden God) in order to 'accelerate' the transmigration of the souls in the future in order to 'improve' their 'knowledge' henceforth their 'salvation'.
Evolution is a never-ending process and to claim "perfection" or "completion" is blaspheming the "ascent of the Church (Sophia)".
Изтриване"Evolution is a never-ending process and to claim "perfection" or "completion" is blaspheming the "ascent of the Church (Sophia)"."
ИзтриванеTherefore Gnostic, Evolutionist, Incarnation "salvation" is to keep the ascending direction of perfection, "perdition" is to stop that advance and going back again.
"Reincarnation is another tale invented by the Gnostic to spread their bloody Evolutionism. Mass murders are a consequence of a will of their Sophia (or Hidden God) in order to 'accelerate' the transmigration of the souls in the future in order to 'improve' their 'knowledge' henceforth their 'salvation'."
ОтговорИзтриванеYes, see movie "edge of tomorrow". Tom cruise ASKS Sophia to kill him to gain combat and strategic knowledge to defeat the aliens (reliving the battle many times). In gnosticism USUALLY reincarnation is for the "inferior" races, who lack gnosis.
If you see the same Nazis, extremely fascinated by Tibet & the there culture and religion based on Incarnation. The nonchalance with which they started they program of Genocide talks loud about their Incarnation background.
ИзтриванеWell i have like a sensation, like they were trying to trace down the origin of Islam to the early Schismatic Christians like Donatists. I mean that this is not limited only to allusions aiming to present the fundamentalist of Islam and Christianity as "generally" the same spiritual scheme.
ОтговорИзтриванеI believe that they are pressed from a side by the revelations of Alberto Rivera who told that he was told by Augustin Bea SJ that "we (Vatican, Catholics) created Islam in the third century".
On the other side the same Islam could retain some important facts which could frame the Roman Catholic church "fathers" as true creator of Islam.
Therefore, like the "blame it on the Jews!", now they are trying the "blame it on the early proto-Protestant Christians!".
Gotcha!
ИзтриванеFrom the same page of Wikipedia, here you have the target where Gnostic Catholicism is aiming - notice the dialectical reversing on the martyrs of the guilty, notice also how it emerges, in a dialectically negative way, the necessity - by Catholicism - to create something to counter those Christians: Islam.
" It is unknown how long Donatist belief persisted but some Christian historians believe the Donatist schism and the discord it caused in the Christian community made easier the Arab conquest of the region in the 7th century.[12]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatism
"...the Donatist SCHISM and the DISCORD it caused in the Christian community made EASIER the Arab conquest...". etc. etc.
Doesn't need this dialectical Jesuitical manipulation of the text to be de-crypted and translated in open language?
".... the Donatist SCHISM and DISCORD it caused in the Christian community WAS EXPOSING THE CREATION OF CATHOLICISM BY THE PAGAN PRIESTS and therefore, being Catholicism too weak, the OBLIGED CHOICE OF THE PAGAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS was to counter Donatists with another kind of Sect, ISLAM...".
and there is a popular theory that jews created islam
ИзтриванеYes it is exactly the same rhetoric with the bogomils and the fall of byzantium. I think Augustine was personally the man responsible (as he had the means and the wits) to create such a death cult, whose penchant for martyrdom he may have taken from circumcellions (or it is all slander he later used in his new creation to produce the "guilty by association"). In any case, he hit them on the head with their stones, be they real or imagined.
ОтговорИзтриванеBear in mind that the cathognostics do not stop with their genocidal intentions until the last man, woman or child , carrying the Holy Spirit, is killed.
Soebat makes the donatist-islam connection, but by going one step further and associating reformed christianity/ calvinism with islam (both soaked in augustinian theology), he indirectly condemns augustine, who was the biggest enemy of the donatists....
''Soebat makes the donatist-islam connection, but by going one step further...''.
ИзтриванеShoebat is the doctor GOEBBELS of the Catholic church. He represent the DRANG NACH OSTEN of the jesuits, with not Catholic Christians as 'untermenschen' serving Islam.
Doc Shoebbels cannot say that Donatists created Islam because he already told it was worshipped in Babylon under the guise of an idol (it is clear that his jesuitical ghostwriter or inspirer is obsessed by Alexander Hislop's the 2 Babylons - t2B).
''Yes it is exactly the same rhetoric with the bogomils and the fall of byzantium.''.
Изтриванеyes, and the rethoric of the Jews who stabbed at the back the Kaiser's German empire during WWI.
Or the Cathars who provoked the same WWI. (see my post on it)
Doc Shoebbels and his fuhrer in Rome, Bergoglio (notwithstanding the name, Adolph Nicolas is his Himmler, as Himmler was over Hitler and not the opposite).
The New Crusade against Albigenses is on the roud, dressed as ''crusade against ISIS''
ИзтриванеBTW: they cancelled one flight for my marriage. Practically i cannot be present at the scheduled time in Italian Embassy to get the Legal Capacity. You book appointment in It. Embassy in Manila only by web, with a month or more before the day of appointment.
ОтговорИзтриване10.000 Euro, but most important the wedding, are now at risk to be like thrown out of the window:
''Flight EY3901, scheduled to leave AUH on May 13, 2015 at 21:35PM, has been changed. Your new flight is EY3901, departing AUH on May 14, 2015, at 21:35PM.''
Italian Embassy booked my appointment to get documents to marry on May 15, 2015, half hour before my changed flight land in Manila on May 15, 2015, at 10:15.
The appointment in office is at 09:37. if you miss it you have to wait another month (average estimation).
This post is a milestone.
ОтговорИзтриванеYes you are right! the problem was the power of God manifested in those Christians Donatists. As reaction the holy harvest of souls was more abundant than expected by the same Christians. The Beast was exposed.....
Roman Empire and early Catholicism had to find a SOLUTION: aka to represent the same martyrdom, at the eyes of the same Christians, no more as the manifested power of God, but as ''work of Satan''.
therefore it was created a cult, openly praising the martyrdom, but also structured as an evident manipulation of the Scriptures by Satan.
Slowly the martyrdom became a negative value among Christians, who were reafy to come back in the heathen flock with Catholic clothes.
Of course that cult of martyrdom continued to be spread by the Empire, in order to vaccinate the Arab populations against the Gospel of the Lord, and was named: ISLAM.
Well, martyrdom is present in catholicism, but it is usually "better kill em before they kill us and if they kill us, oh well" - a rather passive,indifferent attitude towards martyrdom, whereas islam is closer to the christian attitude of DESIRING martyrdom in the face of death.
ОтговорИзтриванеOnly satan can distort and corrupt the doctrines of the bible in this manner. I believe the harlot was already there in 313 with her first lover, Constantine. That was when Satan was cast down to earth (Rev 12) and got really mad and active. Unlike the protestant fables of "Gregory the last good pope"and some of them even saying that the Church was pure up to the 11th century (i believe the Lutherans).
I smell strong deception and perversion of the gospel in the "patristic"- church father literature. Most of these men were consciousless liars and knaves who used philosophy to distort biblical doctrine. I believe they knew very well what they were doing.
forgot to add this crucial analogy:
the Circumcellions would attack random travelers on the road, while shouting "Laudate Deum!" ("Praise God!" in Latin.) The object of these random beatings was the death of the intrepid martyr, who sought to provoke the victim to attack and kill them
donatist takbir?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir#Jihadist_usage
we must not ignore the eschatological obsession of radical islam. Catholicism and orthodoxy are the least concerned with eschatology, because they believe they are god on earth, hence they dont think Hes coming (except the jesuits, who have other beliefs, probably). They also want to remove attention from eschatology, because some people will start asking themselves questions AFTER the crusades and the previous (dispensationalist israelish) systems have been proved wrong. I believe the baptist will at some point (probably later than sooner) realize they were duped and start pointing at the pope.
ОтговорИзтриванеokay, just read augustine and he is a major mouthpiece of the devil. i will post stuff in time.
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