Augustine - kill all the good, keep all the bad

 Last post, related to Avles' "kill em all"  dealt with the license to indiscriminately destroy all heretics outside the catholic church. This diabolism isn't Augustine's only hell-spawn doctrine, though. He "fathered" the toleration of wicked office-keepers WITHIN the church, thus setting the base for the abuses perpetrated against humanity by the "immune" priests of Rome throughout the centuries, down to today's pedophilia.



Augustine's argument that the church is the kingdom state spoken of in the parables of Matthew is an erronous (deliberately) exegesis of the passages. He uses it to convince honest people, like this lady, Felicia, that even though many pastors within the Roman church are wicked, the church itself is good. He also misinterprets the commandment Jesus gives to the jews concerning following the Pharisees as valid in the church state. This was a commandment given not to offend religious jews in the temple dispensation. It doesnt carry through to the gospel age, when pastors are required to be clean and honest persons.



http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102208.htm

 To the Lady Felicia, His Daughter in the Faith, and Worthy of Honour Among the Members of Christ, Augustine Sends Greeting in the Lord.

3. Moreover, as there are good shepherds and bad shepherds, so also in flocks there are good and bad. The good are represented by the name of sheep, but the bad are called goats: they feed, nevertheless, side by side in the same pastures, until the Chief Shepherd, who is called the One Shepherd, shall come and separate them one from another according to His promise, as a shepherd divides the sheep from the goats. On us He has laid the duty of gathering the flock; to Himself He has reserved the work of final separation, because it pertains properly to Him who cannot err. For those presumptuous servants, who have lightly ventured to separate before the time which the Lord has reserved in His own hand, have, instead of separating others, only been separated themselves from Catholic unity; for how could those have a clean flock who have by schism become unclean?...............

5 Concerning the good shepherds He thus speaks: You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. Concerning the bad shepherds He admonishes the sheep in these words: The Scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: all, therefore, whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Matthew 23:2-3 When these are listened to, the sheep of Christ, even through evil teachers, hear His voice, and do not forsake the unity of His flock, because the good which they hear them teach belongs not to the shepherds but to Him, and therefore the sheep are safely fed, since even under bad shepherds they are nourished in the Lord's pastures. They do not, however, imitate the actions of the bad shepherds, because such actions belong not to the world but to the shepherds themselves.

6. Hence we understand both that the good shepherds are those who seek not their own, but the things of Jesus Christ, and that the good sheep, though imitating the works of the good shepherds by whose ministry they have been gathered together, do not place their hope in them, but rather in the Lord, by Whose blood they are redeemed; so that when they may happen to be placed under bad shepherds, preaching Christ's doctrine and doing their own evil works, they will do what they teach, but will not do what they do, and will not, on account of these sons of wickedness, forsake the pastures of the one true Church. For there are both good and bad in the Catholic Church, which, unlike the Donatist sect, is extended and spread abroad, not in Africa only, but through all nations; as the apostle expresses it, bringing forth fruit, and increasing in the whole world. But those who are separated from the Church, as long as they are opposed to it cannot be good; although an apparently praiseworthy conversation seems to prove some of them to be good, their separation from the Church itself renders them bad, according to the saying of the Lord: He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters. Matthew 12:30

The reasonable conclusion for Augustine's conjectures then was that the church  should root out ALL heretics/schismatics before the Lord comes, without respect for their doctrine and conduct, and keep ALL bad pastors, even the worst, until Christ separates them himself.

AUGUSTINE AND ALL HIS FOLLOWERS ARE GUILTY OF THE DOUBLE SIN OF PILATE AND THE JEWS OF CONDEMNING THE RIGHTEOUS AND JUSTIFYING THE WICKED...................

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

 Persecuting the innocent, who want to separate from the congregation of Korah (and it was a large congregation), and justifying the wicked pastors, whom the Lord said He will RID HIS SHEEP FROM BACK IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL AND JEREMIAH (Jer 3;23; Ez 34; Is 56)?????? THERE ARE TO BE ONLY GOOD SHEPHERDS IN THE GOSPEL AGE.  Nevermind that most of catholic "pastors" would fail the qualifications for the office.

Cardinal Hosius on the antiquity of the anabaptists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaus_Hosius

Stanislaus Hosius (Polish: Stanisław Hozjusz; 5 May 1504 – 5 August 1579) was a Polish Roman Catholic cardinal. From 1551 he was the Prince-Bishop of the Bishopric of Warmia in Poland and from 1558 he served as the papal legate to the Holy Roman Emperor's Imperial Court in Vienna, Austria. From 1566 he was also the papal legate to Poland.
His cause of canonization has commenced and after it halted, it resumed on 5 August 2006. He is now a Servant of God.

A collected edition of his works was published at Cologne, Germany in 1584 ( Life by A Eichhorn (Mainz, Germany, 1854), 2 vols).

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/hosius.anabaptist.duBarry.html



(Front Page of Hosius' Works) Hosius on the Anabaptists
By Stephen M. duBarry, 2009

      Baptists historians have often cited the hostile testimony of Stanislaus Hosius concerning the Anabaptists. Hosius was a Polish Roman Catholic who became prince-bishop of Warmia in 1551, rose to cardinal in 1561, and was one of five papal legates who presided over the third period of the Council of Trent from 1561 to 1563.¹ His distinguished rank and illustrious reputation among Catholics of the Reformation period give his remarks on the Anabaptists, though hostile, particular weight in the consideration of Baptist history.       A typical quote in relation to the history of the Baptists is found in a letter to the editor published in the Baptist Magazine in 1826:

It is well known that these good people (the foreign Baptists) were formerly most severely and barbarously persecuted; and it may not perhaps be unacceptable to many of your readers, to see a few instances of their sufferings, which I have selected from "Brandt's History of the Reformation;" and which I shall preface in the words of Cardinal Hosius, one of the Pope's Presidents at the Council of Trent, who said thus of them: "If the truth of religion were to be judged of, by the readiness and chearfulness which a man of any sect shows in suffering, then the opinion and persuasion of no sect can be truer or surer than that of the Anabaptists; since there have been none for these twelve hundred years past, that have been more grievously punished, or that have more cheerfully and steadfastly undergone, and even offered themselves to the most cruel sorts of punishments, than these people." ²

     Abraham Booth cites Hosius' opinion that the Waldenses were Anabaptists in his 1829 book Pedobaptism Examined:

I will here add the following testimony from cardinal Hosius, who was president of the Council of Trent. "The Anabaptists are a pernicious sect; of which kind the Waldensian Brethren seem also to have been. Concerning whom it appears, that not very long ago they rebaptized persons; though some of them lately, as they testify in their apology, have ceased to repeat baptism. Certain it is, however, that in many things they agree with the Anabaptists. . . . Nor is this heresy a modern thing; for it existed in the time of Austin."³

     Another passage is given by Edward Bean Underhill in his Struggles and Triumphs of Religious Liberty, first published in 1851:

Let a catholic reply, the president of the famous council of Trent. "If you behold their cheerfulness in suffering persecutions, the anabaptists run before all their heretics. If you will have regard to the number, it is like that in multitude they would swarm above all others, if they were not grievously plagued and cut off with the knife of persecution. If you have an eye to the outward appearance of godliness, both the Lutherans and Zuinglians must needs grant that they far pass them. "If you will be moved by the boasting of the word of God, these be no less bold than Calvin to preach, and their doctrine must stand aloft above all the glory of the world, must stand invincible above all power, because it is not their word, but the word of the living God. Neither do they cry with less boldness than Luther, that with their doctrine, which is the word of God, they shall judge the angels. And surely, how many soever have written against this heresy, whether they were catholics or heretics [reformers], they were able to overthrow it, not so much by the testimony of the scriptures, as by the authority of the church."⁴

     These quotations are all taken from Hosius' Latin work "Verae, christianae catholicaeque doctrinae solida propugnatio," first published in Cologne in 1558.⁵ The first section of the book, entitled "De origine haeresium nostri temporis" ("The beginning of heresies in our time"), features his discourse on the Anabaptists. An English translation by Richard Shacklock of "De origine haeresium nostri temporis" was published in 1565 under the title "The Hatchet of Heresies."⁶ While some of the quotes given by Baptist authors appear to derive from original translations of Hosius' Latin, many are taken from Shacklock's translation. The following appendix gives the full text of Hosius' discussion of the Anabaptists given in "The Hatchet of Heresies."

Appendix: Text of Hosius on the Anabaptists

     The following are the two main passages in which Stanislaus Hosius discusses the Anabaptists in "De origine haeresium nostri temporis," the first section of his 1558 book "Verae, christianae catholicaeque doctrinae solida propugnatio." The text is taken from Richard Shacklock's 1565 translation entitled "The Hatchet of Heresies." Archaic spellings have been modernized.

(Front Page of The Hatchet of Heresies)     Hosius first describes the Lutherans and the Zwinglians. He then continues:

You think peradventure, that these two sects be they only, which in this our miserable world durst challenge unto themselves the name and authority of the Gospel. But you be deceived, if you think so. For beside these, there is another third sect more perilous, the which, because it baptizeth again those which were lawfully baptized of the Catholics, is called the sect of the Anabaptists: of which sort the brotherhood called, Waldenses, seemed to be, who without peradventure of late did rebaptize, although some of them but even the other day, as they declare in their Apology, have given over that manner of twice baptizing: notwithstanding (note-probably after the reformation/ Angrone rules of faith of 1535), as sure as God, they agree in many articles with the Anabaptists. Which Anabaptists truly, Antonius Corvinus doth write in his Dialogues, to have chiefly issued out of Zwinglius' sect, no otherwise than the deceitful Grecians did out of the wooden horse, which they did bring traitorously into Troy. But if any man will search this matter more deeply, although they be of one opinion with the Zwinglians, concerning the Sacrament of the altar, yet shall he find, that they have sucked their Anabaptism out of Luther's paps, that is out of Luther's books. Certainly Balthasar Pacimontanus, which seemeth to have first sowed this sect, doth triumph, that Luther was of his mind: as Luther himself confesseth in a book which he did write to two Parish Priests concerning Anabaptism. Bucer also doth witness, that the Anabaptists' Gospel came, from whence Luther's doctrine did come, that is to say, out of Saxony. At what time Luther did write to the Waldenses, among other their articles, he found great fault with this, that they baptized young children, in hope of that faith, which they should obtain, when they came to years of discretion. He saith therefore, that it were better not to baptize young children at all, than to baptize them without faith: because the sacraments neither ought, neither can be received without faith. And if you receive any sacrament without faith, you shall receive it to your great damnation. We lay against your doctrine (saith he) this saying of Christ: He which believeth and is baptized, shall be saved. Hereof did the Anabaptists take occasion of their heresy. For whereas Luther's opinion seemed to them to be against all reason, as in very deed it is, that young children have faith of their own, they thought it a more sure way to let them alone unbaptized: and not to Christen them, till such time as they could believe for themselves, because they said, this was grounded upon the word of God, which word they cried with loud voice, should endure forever, and against which word they did make their boast, that hell gates should not be able ever to prevail. Among whom one Menno Phrisius, who seemeth to pass all the sort of them in learning, saith in this wise: Certainly, o heavenly Father, I cannot be deceived in this matter with thy word: I have believed, and that have I received by the holy Ghost, as the word of truth. And within few lines after: I know certainly and surely, that with this my doctrine, which is the word of God, in the day of rightwise judgment, I shall judge not only Lords and Princes, not only the world, but also the Angels themselves. Thus doth he magnifically make his vaunts of his doctrine, as though it were God's word, with no less confidence and courageousness than Luther did of his doctrine. Notwithstanding Luther did as hotly inveigh against this sect, as he did against the sect of the Sacramentaries, and writing a book to two Plebanes, as before I have made mention, among other sayings he useth these words: Whereas the Anabaptists say, that we find in no place of scripture, that infants either have faith, or that they ought to be baptized, we grant indeed that it cannot be proved by any scripture which saith plainly and evidently in these or such like words: You ought to baptize young children. for they do believe, if any man be earnest with us to show any such text, we must needs give him place, and grant him the victory, for we find it not in the whole Bible. But good and reasonable Christians do demand no such things of us: that is the fashion of brabblers, and obstinate persons, to the intent that they may be accounted wise. But they for all their Bible babbling, and crying for scripture, allege for themselves no scripture, which saith, you ought to baptize those which be of years of discretion, but not infants and young children. By and by after, by the tradition of the Apostles always observed in the church of God, he teacheth, that young children are to be baptized, albeit no scripture doth give any such commandment. And like as before in defending the Sacrament of the altar, so now in maintaining Christening of young children, he doth chiefly lean upon the authority of the church: which authority for all that he will not let us lay in his way (for fear of giving him a fall) so often as he requireth scripture of us, for proof of any one thing be it that it hath been received and allowed of the church never so many years. This therefore is the third Gospel, much more pestilent than the other twain. For beside that it taketh clean away the sacrifice of the Mass, and the order of Priesthood with the Lutherans, and denieth the real presence of Christ in the Sacrament of the Altar with the Zwinglians, it hath many other articles, both blasphemous and also seditious. For it forbiddeth the public ministry of God's word, it defendeth that Christ took not man's nature upon him of the blessed virgin, it reneweth the error of the Chiliasts, it despiseth rule, and will not have men subject to lawful authority. Therefore, wheresoever this sect taketh place, it raiseth up great uproars and seditions. Examples of this we have many cities in Germany, and especially the city of Munster. For as Henry Dorpius a Lutheran, and he which translated his history out of the German tongue into Latin John Sleidane a Zwinglian, have written in their Chronicles, above four and twenty years ago, there came first thither certain preachers, to declare unto the people instead of Christ's Gospel, the doctrine of Luther, whom when the Catholic Priests thought in no wise to be suffered, Bernard Rothman with his companions, whom Philip the Landgrave of Hessia had sent to further and advance Luther's learning, did that which all heretics use to do: that is, choosing and appointing out certain chief learned men of the catholic faith, they provoked the Catholics to join with them in disputation: and that before a lay Magistrate, whom they appointed to be their judge, and before whom they promised to prove the doctrine which the Catholics held, to be false and erroneous. But when the Catholic Priests refused to dispute with them, they departed the city, after that they were forbidden to execute their office of preaching the word of God. After this departure of the Catholics, before a year was come fully to an end, the Anabaptists likewise began in the same city to sow the seeds of their doctrine, under the name of Christ's Gospel. And when they had provoked one another to set foot to foot in disputation, but on the selfsame condition which before was offered to the Catholics, which was, that nothing should be alleged but Canonical scripture: behold, Bernard Rothman, the chiefest trumpeter in all that city of Luther's Gospel, who making the like law a little before, had challenged the Catholics to come to disputation, now would admit no such condition. So it came to pass, that the Lutherans, which not long before had thrust the Catholics out of the town, they themselves fearing to meet or encounter in disputation with the Anabaptists, were shortly after by them banished the same town. No marvel, though they were so handled. For the Senators also were pulled down from their judgment seats, the churches were spoiled and burned: and whosoever would not take part with the Anabaptists, perforce was driven out of the city. As for Bernard Rothman, Henry Roles, Godfry Stralen, sent out of Hessia, as they of Christians grew to be Lutherans, so of Lutherans they became Anabaptists, and with tooth and nail furthered the Gospel of Anabaptists, showing us the experience how true that is which is written in the Scripture: The wicked man when he cometh into the depth of sin, careth not what he doeth. For if any man do once forsake Christian Religion, unto whatsoever sect he doth afterward incline, he maketh it but a pastime to leap from one heresy to another.
And this sect truly of the Anabaptists, is divided into many sections. For they agree not in the principal points of their doctrine. In certain cities of Germany some did run about naked, as though they had a bumble bee in their breech, exhorting the people to repentance, seeking in the meanwhile busily, how they might find any opportunity to set the people together by the ears. Neither did this heresy begin yesterday, or the day before, for it reigned also in saint Augustine's time. And as the most part of all other heresies be, so was this in the beginning divided into many other parts. For some were called Donatists, other Rogatists, other Maximianists, other Circenses, who at length were converted from the sect of the Donatists (for their name was more famous than the rest) to the unity and fellowship of the Catholic church: other some were called Circumcellions, which no otherwise than the Munsterians in our days, did go beyond all other in mischievousness, as saint Augustine in sundry places recordeth, and Possidonius also, who did set out a book of saint Augustine's life, testifieth the same. And at this day this Hydra hath no fewer horns and heads, than it had in saint Augustine's time. For some be called Munsterans, some Orantes, that is to say, Prayers, some Silentes, that is to wit, keeping silence, Somniantes, that is, sleepers, Pueris similes, that is, like children, Synceri, that is, pure, Impeccabiles a Baptismo, that is, not sinning after Baptism, Liberi, that is, free, Binderlians, Sabbataries, Maderans, Hoffmanites, and other which sprung up after them, Circumcisi: and it is like enough that the Adamites do pertain to the Anabaptists. Some authors do father the beginning of Anabaptism rather upon Thomas Muntzer than upon Balthasar. Which Muntzer above two and thirty years ago, made a commotion of countrymen in Thuringia: for the which fact, when he was worthily punished, before his head was chopped off, he is reported to have lamented pitifully, for that he had seduced the people: moreover, to have recanted all his errors, and confessing his fault after the catholic custom, to have received the honorable sacrament of the body and blood of Christ under one kind. But one Philip, which writeth a story of his life, doth make no mention that he taught to rebaptize those which were once baptized. This sect of the Anabaptists, I am assured, is a pestilent and and abominable sect, whatsoever any other sect else is. And yet for all that, they which have embraced this sect, do steadfastly believe, and assure themselves as well as the Lutherans, or Zwinglians do, that their sins be forgiven them for Christ's sake, that they be in God's favor, and that they shall inherit the kingdom of heaven: and they be very precise that all they which follow their race, should certainly and steadfastly believe the same. (fol. 28v-33v)

     Hosius digresses here to refute Luther on saving faith. He then returns to the former thought:

Albeit the Anabaptists be more mischievous than the Lutherans, or the Zwinglians, yet do these with no less audacity than both they steadfastly believe, and persuade themselves surely, that for Christ's sake their sins be forgiven them, that they be in high favor with God, that they shall possess the kingdom of heaven. And this they do not only brag of in words but also they declare in their deeds. For they be much more ready, than either the Lutherans or the Zwinglians to suffer death, to abide most cruel punishments for the maintenance of their faith. For they run to all kind of horrible torments, with no less courage, than they should go to feasts and banquets: for if any man thereof would gather an argument, either of the truth of their doctrine, either of the certainty of their being in favor with God, he might easily be brought into this mind, that he should believe, that there were none other sect, which had so true faith, or were so sure of the favor of God. But true it is, which Saint Paul saith, Although I shall give my body so that I burn, and have not charity, it doth me no good. But he hath not charity, which divideth unity. Such saith Saint Cyprian, Although they were killed for confessing the name of Christ, yet can they not wash out this soot with their blood: the sin of discord staineth so deeply, and is so unable to be cleansed, that by very death it may not be purged. He cannot be a Martyr which is not in the church, he cannot attain to the kingdom of heaven, which forsaketh her which shall reign in the kingdom of heaven. Christ gave peace unto us, he commanded us to agree and to be all of one mind: He charged us to keep the bonds of love and charity uncorrupted, and unbroken. He cannot offer up himself a Martyr, which hath not held fast brotherly charity. Blessed are they, which suffer persecution, saith Christ, but he addeth, for righteousness' sake. Therefore saith Saint Augustine, they be true martyrs which suffer persecution for righteousness' sake, not they which be punished for iniquity and wicked division of Christian unity. Our Lord himself was crucified with thieves, but as one passion did join them, so diversity of cause did separate them: the punishment of the wicked may be like, but the cause of Martyrs is unlike. And that it is which maketh Martyrs, not the punishment, as Saint Augustine repeating it often in divers places teacheth us. Wherefore it is to no purpose, that Calvin doth so highly praise him and his for this cause, and that in this respect he judgeth them to be preferred before the Lutherans, because they be more pressed and ready to suffer all kind of punishment. For if so be, that as every man is most ready to suffer death for the faith of his sect, so his faith should be judged most perfect and most sure, there shall be no faith more certain and true, than is the Anabaptists', seeing there be none now, or have been before time for the space of these thousand and two hundred years, who have been more cruelly punished, or that have more stoutly, steadfastly, cheerfully taken their punishment, yea or have offered themselves of their own accord to death, were it never so terrible and grievous. Yea in Saint Augustine's time, as he himself saith, there was a certain monstrous desire of death in them. For at what time the worshipping of Idols did as yet continue, he writeth that great throngs of Donatists did come to the solemnities of the Pagans, that they might be killed of the Idolators. Also he saith, that some there were which leaped among the harnessed soldiers, as they passed by, to the intent they might be slain of them: terribly threatening to wound them, unless they were dispatched out of their lives by them. Some time they did by violence compel the judges to command the tormentors and the justicers to kill them, insomuch, that one is reported to have mocked them in this sort, that he commanded them to be pinioned and led away, as though execution should have been done of them; that so he might escape their fury without bloodshed, and harmless: moreover they made it but a May game to throw themselves down headlong from ragged rocks, to drown and to burn themselves. Neither was there such foolish hardy heretics in Saint Augustine's time only. For four hundred years ago, at what time S. Bernard lived, there were Anabaptists, which were no less prodigal to spend their life, than were the Donatists, some (saith he) did marvel that they were led to their death not only patiently but as it seemed very frolic and merry. But such marvelled at them which consider not well, what power the devil hath, not only upon the bodies of men, but also upon the hearts, in the which by the sufferance of God, he only hath gotten possession. Is it not a greater matter for a man to kill himself, than to suffer that willingly at another man's hands? Experience teacheth us, that the devil hath been so strong with many, that they have drowned and hanged themselves. For example sake: Judas hanged himself no doubt by the suggestion of the devil. Yet for all that I think it a thing more to be wondered at, that he could put this in his heart to betray his master, than to hang himself. Therefore there is no likelihood between the steadfastness of Martyrs, and the stubbornness of these heretics. Because godliness in them, but hardness of heart in these, doth work contempt of death. Neither have the Anabaptists of our time swerved from their predecessors, neither have they been less stout and cheerful in sustaining all kind of death in the behalf of their faith, as among other one Justus Menius an eyewitness of this thing hath left in writing, in that book in the which he confuteth their heresies. So by and by even at the beginning, the Anabaptists' heresy began to be very hot of spirit, and afterward so often as it burned, the heat of it was nothing cooled or abated. But so was it not with the Sacramentaries, whose chieftain and first founder whereas one Berengarius was, about five hundred hears ago (~1050 AD), so far off is it that his disciples did offer their life with like cheerfulness to all kind of hazard and adventure, that we read how their great Doctor himself did twice recant and forswear his error, who not long after being taken with a deadly disease, lying on his death bed, at the point of death showed himself to be marvelously sorry, that he had led so many people into so foul an error: and the report is that he uttered these words deeply sighing: O my God today shalt thou appear to me either to my salvation, as I hope through my repentance, or else to my grievous damnation, as I fear, for them whom I have deceived with my perverse doctrine, whom I could not reclaim back again to the true way of the Sacrament: as John Gerson doth declare, writing against Romantius de Rosa. They have begun first of all in these our days to brag and boast of their Martyrs, whom notwithstanding both for their number and also for the commendation of their sufferance and patience in punishment, the Anabaptists of old time have excelled, and these of our age do so far surmount, that if they would make a Martyrology of their brethren, they might make greater volumes than the Sacramentaries. It is to no purpose therefore, that Calvin boasteth of the certainty of his doctrine, because the truth of it maketh men to fear neither the terror of death, neither the judgment seat of God. It is not worth a straw, that he vaunteth himself of the persecutions which he suffereth, and that he calleth his flock silly sheep appointed to the slaughter. For the Anabaptists do speak more braggly, and do more stoutly all these things, and have done it many years ago, before any man heard tell of the Sacramentaries (before the year 1000). Read who that listeth the epistle of the Petilian, which saint Augustine confuteth, he shall see, how many complaints he made for the persecution of his brethren: how he calleth the Catholic Priests bloody butchers, which made means to the Emperors, to deal so cruelly with his innocent lambs, whom he glorieth to buy and purchase heaven with their punishments and bloodshedding: Let him read also the epistles of Gaudentius, against the which S. Augustine wrote two books, he shall find there, that he writeth how his disciples rejoiced, that for the faith of Christ they suffered the persecutors, that for the comfort of their congregation they abuse the sayings of Christ and of S. Paul: Blessed be they which suffer persecution. They which will live Godly in Christ Jesus, do suffer persecution. But it is to be noted, that Saint Augustine saith: If it were alway laudable to suffer persecution, he would not add, for righteousness. Again: if it were alway blameworthy to do persecution, it should not be written in the holy scriptures, A slanderer of his neighbor privily, him did I persecute. Therefore, sometime he that doth suffer it is unrighteous, and he which doth practice it is righteous. But without doubt, the evil men have alway persecuted the good, and the good have persecuted the evil men. They, hurting by doing of injury, these seeking amendment by discipline. They outrageously, these discreetly: they giving place to their malicious affection, these applying themselves wholly to charity. For he which murdereth, careth not how he teareth: but he which healeth taketh advisement how he lanceth: for he cutteth the whole and sound parts, but this cutteth the rotting and festering parts. The wicked men killed the Prophets, and the Prophets killed the wicked men: the Jews scourged Christ, and Christ scourged the Jews. Men gave up the Apostles to man's power and authority, and the Apostles gave men up to the power and thraldom of the devil. In all these doings what is to be marked, but which of them did strive for the truth, which of them for iniquity, which of them minded to hurt and avoy, which of them purposed to amned and redress. Therefore not the likeness of punishment maketh Martyrs: for an heinous offender may have like punishment to a martyr, but yet an unlike cause: Three hanged on the cross, one a Savior, the second to be saved, the last to be damned. Therefore whoso departeth from the church to heretics and Schismatics, although afterward he be killed for the name of Christ, being out of the bounds of the church, and divided from charity, he cannot, saith S. Cyprian, be crowned when he dieth: They cannot remain with God, which would not live agreeably in the church of God. Although they be thrown into the fire and burnt, though they be torn in pieces with wild beasts, that shall be no crown of faith, but a punishment of infidelity. That shall be no honorable end of religious virtue, but a destruction for desperation. Such an one may be killed, but he cannot be crowned. Therefore they have no right to challenge unto them the glory of Martyrs, which be so far from the cause and quarrel of Martyrs, which have not doubted to suffer death for devilish division. So then now you have three Gospels, and them greatly disagreeing among themselves. If you behold their cheerfulness in suffering persecutions, the Anabaptists run far before all other heretics. If you will have regard to the number, it is like that in multitude they would swarm above all other, if they were not grievously plagued, and cut off with the knife of persecution. If you have an eye to the outward appearance of godliness, both the Lutherans and the Zwinglians must needs grant, that they far pass them. If you will be moved with the boasting of the word of God, these be no less bold than Calvin to preach, that their doctrine must stand aloft above all the glory of the world, must stand invincible above all power, because it is not their word, but the word of the living God. Neither do they cry with less loudness than Luther, that with their doctrine which is the word of God, they shall judge the Angels. And surely how many so ever have written against this heresy, whether they were Catholics or heretics, they were able to overthrow it not so much by the testimony of the scriptures, as by the authority of the Church. (fol. 44v-49v)

"Kill em all" - 400 AD

they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:

Proverbs 1:11

I have spent far too little time searching history for cry-outs of the blood of the martyrs of Jesus and growls and barks of their enemies. Every time I take looks back I see the same - Satan slandering and clumping God's people with raving renegades and anarchists, who have zilch to do with God's church and obedience to the magistrates. The provokatsya and imputing guilt by association goes back to the rise of the harlot church, which could never win by honest preaching of the word and administration of the sacraments, but only by sweeping aside her enemies through deceit and fear-mongering. Augustine, that IDOL of the calvinists and protestants is the chief developer of roman catholic ecclesiology. He also perfected the art of slander and double tongued speech to the highest degree and used his eloquence and learning to destroy the politico-religious enemies of Rome. Augustine was a sadistic psychopath and everyone, who praises and holds him in high regard and is aware of his doings, is suspect to possessing the same sentiments.

First, get acquainted with the fruit of Augustine's labors - mass murder and eradication of churches in north africa.

Augustine a mastermind of provokatsiya

http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.bg/2015/04/augustine-provokatsiya-artist-or-gross.html



Augistine was insanely evil. Are these words of a loving christian or a sadist tormentor?:

"they have not the knowledge to make them understand what feelings and love we continue to have towards them (towards the slain with the sword???????),"

Augustine - the venom of Rome

http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.bg/2015/03/augustine-venom-of-rome.html 




And this is the resurgence of the bloodthirsty rage of augustine through his children, the DEformers, who performed a face-lift plastic surgery on the harlot, but didnt take out the dirt within:


ALL CREDIT TO JESSE HOOVER:


http://www.academia.edu/1831503/Capricious_Seductive_and_Revolutionary_Anabaptism_and_the_Circumcellions

 

“False Martyrs, Seditious Thieves”:

Anabaptism and the Circumcellions

For those Magisterial Reformers who attempted to sideline their Anabaptist opponents byequating them with ancient historical exemplars, no appellation seemed more secure than that of Donatism. By mapping the Anabaptist phenomenon onto such a grid, its opponents could bringto bear the significant counterweight of Augustine against them. Two overlapping motifs, in particular, created a correlation between Anabaptism and Donatism in the eyes of their opponents. First, Anabaptist sects tended to be purist in orientation, emphasizing the necessity of separation from the wicked...............

............More disconcerting to their opponents, however, was the defining Anabaptist trait of rebaptizing converts. In condemning such a practice, the Magisterial Reformers could not help but draw comparisons with the ancient Donatists, who had been derisively labeled “rebaptizers” for precisely the same reason

But how did the Reformers achieve the feat of transforming the Donatist cause,technically a purely ecclesiastical issue, into a revolutionary insurgency against the state? The answer lies in Augustine’s own portrait of Donatism. Despite Donatist claims that they “resisted with the power of the soul, not with arms... with faith, not force,” Augustine detected a far more threatening substratum within the movement. The Donatist church was not as peaceful as it appeared; rather, it was intrinsically bound up with a movement known colloquially as the Circumcellions, a radical sect which, according to Augustine, actively threatened the very foundation of the Roman ordo

. In the actions of the Circumcellions Augustine, and the Reformers after him, discerned a truism: purist movements whether Donatist or Anabaptist,however lofty their articulated goals, inevitably degenerate into the madness of civil disorder

Sedition and false martyrdom: these were the hallmarks of the Circumcellions in the eyes of Augustine and the Reformers of the sixteenth century, and the Reformers were not slow to paint Anabaptists with the brush of “Circumcellionism.” In this presentation, I wish to examine the role that such a rhetorical epithet played in defining Anabaptism in the eyes of its opponents.What I wish to uncover is the way in which the charge of Circumcellionism influenced the Reformers’perception of Anabaptism as well as its rhetorical role in legitimating the use of  force against what were often explicitly pacifistic sects

 Note that the term “Donatist” is here actually conflated with the Circumcellions; the link  between the two movements is so strong for Augustine that they can be virtually equated. As we shall see, the same presupposition prove true of the Reformers. While some will specifically differentiate between purist Donatists and fanatical Circumcellions (such as Melanchthon or Peter Martyr), most either use the term interchangeably (Urbanus Rhegius, Johannes Brenz) or simply refer to the Circumcellions as “Donatists” (Luther, Erasmus Sarcerius)Augustine’s Letter 93, on the other hand, contained the means by which one could link less clearly seditious Donatists (and their Anabaptist counterparts) to the “bloodthirsty Circumcellions,” for the letter argues that even the most peaceful of Donatists were merely Circumcellions-in-waiting (!!!!).  As Reformers often noted, the context refers to a splinter-group of Donatists called Rogatists who appear to have insisted on absolute pacifism. Augustine, however, was skeptical:

“You certainly  seem to us less fierce, since you do not run wild with the savage bands of Circumcellions, but no wild animal is called tame if it injures no one because it lacks teeth or claws. You say that you do not want to act savagely; I suspect that you cannot.”

Another version of Augustine's letter:

"11. But as for you, who are not only, in common with these last, styled Donatists, from Donatus, but also specially named Rogatists, from Rogatus, you indeed seem to be more gentle in disposition, because you do not rage up and down with bands of these savage Circumcelliones: but no wild beast is said to be gentle if, because of its not having teeth and claws, it wounds no one. You say that you have no wish to be cruel: I think that power, not will is wanting to you. For you are in number so few, that even if you desire it, you dare not move against the multitudes which are opposed to you."

[ Pope Francis:

"A fundamentalist group, even if it kills no one, even it strikes no one, is violent. The mental structure of fundamentalism is violence in the name of God."   ]

In other words, only their limited size prevented the Rogatists from taking up the sword. This passage was often utilized by the Reformers in order to lump more pacifistic Anabaptists in with their violent brethren.

Luther dismissed Anabaptists as a people who “kill themselves and confess nothing,and believe themselves to be martyrs like the Donatists, who threw themselves into the water from towers and rocks and begged passers-by to kill them and make them martyrs.” Against such“excesses” Luther repeated the Augustinian proverb “it is not the punishment, but the cause, tha tmakes the martyr.” For Luther, there could be only one explanation for such a willful disregard for life and limb: the Anabaptists, like their Donatist predecessors, were animated by the demonic.



The evolution of the Lutheran reformer Johannes Brenz’s views concerning the Anabaptists offers antelling example of the ability of the Circumcellion motif to articulate a shift in conscience.....By redefining Anabaptists as“Circumcellions,” he would in 1557 be able to sign Melanchthon’s

Procedure for Dealing with the Anabaptists, which recommended the death penalty for those holding Anabaptist views even if they were not overtly dangerous to the civil order

The identification of Circumcellions with Anabaptists, by now particularly tied to the incident at Münster, continued far beyond the sixteenth century. We find, for instance, in the English presbyterian William Jenkyn’s 1656 Exposition of the Epistle of Jude the confident assertion that “They who most plead for liberty, exercise most cruelty (WAY TO GO "FREEDOM LOVING" PRESBYTERIANS)... They who shall peruseth the Writings of Austin concerning the Donatists, and among them the Circumcellians; as also the relations of others concerning the Anabaptists of Germany, shall find both these Sects to be bloody Commentators upon this Truth."

As you can see, the Reformers were enemies of the truth and used the instruments and tricks of Rome to spread their ignorance. You can't possible justify their actions against the pacifist sects (which were the majority).


The rogatists lived in modern Algeria, of Northern Africa, from where most "rapists" of german girls are reputed to come from....

Taboos shattered as Germany agonises over Cologne attacks

Maria, a 17-year-old, has painful memories of New Year’s Eve, when throngs of young men sexually assaulted her outside Cologne train station......

In Cologne such differences are even more dramatic. Forum, a police magazine, reported that in the year to November 2015, only five out of 1,111 registered Syrians came to police attention. The proportions for Afghans and Iraqis were similar.....

But for Algerians and Moroccans — who account for 17 of the 32 identified suspects in the new year’s Eve assaults — the level was 40 per cent........

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/386ed934-bb94-11e5-bf7e-8a339b6f2164.html#axzz3xMCiHyNF

So much for the pattern. We are next.
For the other application of the slogan "kill em all" - the genocidal indiscriminate destruction of whole cities, nations etc in the attempt to rid the world from faithful christians, see AVLES' observations:

"If it can be shown that some heretics are in a city then all of the inhabitants can be burnt"

Burn 'em all. Satan will know his own shrines: 1217 ---> 2017

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.bg/2016/01/burn-em-all-satan-will-know-his-shrines.html

Augustine a mastermind of provokatsiya

 note: It is straight absurd that dissenters/non-comformists or schismatics from the Catholic or the national Churches hold Augustine in so high regard. Augustine, if he was alive at the time of the reformation and since, would have surely burned at the stake all those reformed calvinist  protestants, not to mention the puritans, who so credulously worship this pen of the infernal majesty.

Samir Duran, a major antagonist character in the game saga "Starcraft", who speaks with a North African accent. One of the shapeshifter, immortal servants of the archevil alien "Amon" ,who is coming back to destroy all life.

                                                                 Donatus Magnus?





Later on he reappears as "Emil Narud", a North european looking servant of Amon , who informs the protagonists that Amon is coming back soon.

                         
                                                                     Martin Luther?                                 


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First, some venom by the corruptor of souls and servant of the actual destroyers of the world.




Augustine - the venom of Rome
http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.com/2015/03/augustine-venom-of-rome.html

DonatISISts
http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.com/2015/03/guilty-by-association-donatisissts.html

Circumcellions

The Circumcellions or Agonisticis^[1][2] (as called by Donatists) were bands of Berbers considered as heretical^[3] Christian extremists in North Africa in the early- to mid-4th century.^[4] They were initially concerned with remedying social grievances, but they became linked with the Donatist sect.^[4]

...the Circumcellions would attack random travelers on the road, while shouting "Laudate Deum!" ("Praise God!" in Latin.)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions

The  profile of the radical muslims was a concept in Augustine's head 200 years before Muhammad became the prophet of Islam. :





1. They were fanatical about martyrdom to the point of suicidal attacks.
2. They were fervently anti-Roman (Catholic).
3. They killed and maimed random people with shocking brutality.
4. They upheld strict legalistic rule in all their territories (as Sharia law)
5. They had a God-glorifying shout in battle (and martyrdom?) see: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir





But....did they really exist, or were they only in the head of Augistine, who was just a shameless slanderer of epic proportions:

HISTORY OF THE DONATISTS

*********

CHAPTER 12

The Donatists Were Accused of a Confederacy
with the Circumcellions

.....But nowhere, except in the original Latin, have I seen any mention of them, in any manner.......

...............It is a fact worthy of notice that in all Augustine's descriptions of the foul deeds ascribed to the Circumcellions, whether by themselves or in the reputed company of the Donatists, that he has never mentioned one name, nor the time, nor place, nor any of the circumstances connected with their lawless transactions........................

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/benedict/donatists/ch12.htm

And if they existed... what was their purpose if not PROVOKATSIYA, a false flag, to proke a retaliation that would vanquish the North african revolt of the largely pacifist donatists?

The mere fact that so little has been written on and by this major "protestant" movement should raise eyebrows in those who call themselves true christians.

"Focused on ISIS" - 6: Provokatsiya.
http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.com/2015/03/focused-on-isis-6-provokatsiya.html

Augustine - the venom of Rome

Excerpts from Augustine's writings against the Donatists:

For the Donatists met with the same fate as the accusers of the holy Daniel.

For as the lions were turned against them, so the laws by which they had proposed to 
crush an innocent victim were turned against the Donatists; 

THEIR WEAPONS turned against them.
Or did your harlot church, seeing that there were still nests of resistance, create a locust of fanatics, armed with the [spiritual] weapons of the donatists [readiness for martyrdom]?

11.  But this, I say, I forbear to urge.  Yet one point I must press:  If the true Church
is the one which actually suffers persecution, not the one which inflicts it, let them ask the apostle of what Church Sarah was a type, when she inflicted persecution on her hand-maid.  For he declares that the free mother of us all, the heavenly Jerusalem, that is to say, the true Church of God, was prefigured in that woman who cruelly entreated her hand-maid. 2492  But if we investigate the story further, we
shall find that the handmaid rather persecuted Sarah by her haughtiness, than Sarah the handmaid by her severity:  for the handmaid was doing wrong to her mistress; the mistress only imposed on her a proper discipline in her haughtiness. 

What a bloodthirsty fiend of hell. It was Esau who persecuted Jacob, not the other way around. The "persecution" of Hagar typifies the exclusion of the harlot church from the heavenly marriage and feast.



Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Again I ask,

if good and holy men never inflict persecution upon any one, but only suffer it, whose

words they think that those are in the psalm where we read, "I have pursued mine

enemies, and overtaken them; neither did I turn again till they were

consumed?"2493  If, therefore, we wish either to declare or to recognize the truth,

there is a persecution of unrighteousness, which the impious inflict upon the Church

of Christ; and there is a righteous persecution, which the Church of Christ inflicts

upon the impious.  She therefore is blessed in suffering persecution for righteousness’

sake; but they are miserable, suffering persecution for unrighteousness.  Moreover,

she persecutes in the spirit of love [????????], they in the spirit of wrath; she that she may

correct, they that they may overthrow:  she that she may recall from error, they that

they may drive headlong into error.  Finally, she persecutes her enemies and arrests

them, until they become weary in their vain opinions, so that they should make

advance in the truth; but they, returning evil for good, because we take measures for

their good, to secure their eternal salvation, endeavor even to strip us of our temporal

safety, being so in love with murder, that they commit it on their own persons, when

they cannot find victims in any others.  For in proportion as the Christian charity of

the Church endeavors to deliver them from that destruction, so that none of them

should die, so their madness endeavors either to slay us, that they may feed the lust

of their own cruelty, or even to kill themselves, that they may not seem to have lost

the power of putting men to death.

 although, at the same time, among the Donatists herds of abandoned men were

disturbing the peace of the innocent for one reason or another in the spirit of the

most reckless madness






among the Islamic herds of abandoned men there were radical islamists.

 But as to the argument of those men who are unwilling that their impious deeds

should be checked by the enactment of righteous laws, when they say that the

apostles never sought such measures from the kings of the earth, they do not

consider the different character of that age, and that everything comes in its own

season.  For what emperor had as yet believed in Christ, so as to serve Him in the

cause of piety by enacting laws against impiety, when as yet the declaration of the

prophet was only in the course of its fulfillment, "Why do the heathen rage, and the

people imagine a vain thing?  The kings of the earth set themselves, and their rulers

take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed;" and there was as

yet no sign of that which is spoken a little later in the same psalm:  "Be wise now,

therefore, O ye kings; be instructed, ye judges of the earth.  Serve the Lord with fear,

and rejoice with trembling."2498  How then are kings to serve the Lord with fear,

except by preventing and chastising with religious severity all those acts which are

done in opposition to the commandments of the Lord?  For a man serves God in one

way in that he is man, in another way in that he is also king.  In that he is man, he

serves Him by living faithfully; but in that he is also king, he serves Him by enforcing

with suitable rigor such laws as ordain what is righteous, and punish what is the

reverse.

Augistine's Amilliennialism interprets all the prophecies of Christs future millennial rule of the world as the terrible tyranny of the catholic Church over kings and princes, whose conscience these spawns of hell use as steering wheels.

 Seeing, then, that the kings of the earth were not yet serving the Lord in the time of

the apostles, but were still imagining vain things against the Lord and against His

Anointed, that all might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, it must be

granted that at that time acts of impiety could not possibly be prevented by the laws,

but were rather performed under their sanction.  For the order of events was then so

rolling on, that even the Jews were killing those who preached Christ, thinking that

they did God service in so doing, just as Christ had foretold,2504 and the heathen

were raging against the Christians, and the patience of the martyrs was overcoming

them all.  But so soon as the fulfillment began of what is written in a later psalm, "All

kings shall fall down before Him; all nations shall serve Him,"2505 what

sober-minded man could say to the kings, "Let not any thought trouble you within

your kingdom as to who restrains or attacks the Church of your Lord; deem it not a

matter in which you should be concerned, which of your subjects may choose to be

religious or sacrilegious," seeing that you cannot say to them, "Deem it no concern of

yours which of your subjects may choose 641to be chaste, or which unchaste?" 









Augustine here sets the tone of genocidal persecution for the next thousands of years. You can smell the same rhetoric regurgitated in the modern catholic propagandists. 

 But yet, before the good sons can say they have "a desire to depart, and to be with

Christ,"2513 many must first be recalled to their Lord by the stripes of temporal

scourging, like evil slaves, and in some degree like good-for-nothing fugitives.

. Augustine is an enemy of the truth. Render unto Caesar what's Caesars, not whats GODs. I don't suppose the successors of Peter have kept the commandment to have only two swords (!).

Where is what the Donatists were wont to cry:  Man is at liberty to believe or not

believe?  Towards whom did Christ use violence?  Whom did He compel?  Here they

have the Apostle Paul.  Let them recognize in his case Christ first compelling, and

afterwards teaching; first striking, and afterwards consoling.  For it is wonderful how

he who entered the service of the gospel in the first instance under the compulsion of

bodily punishment, afterwards labored more in the gospel than all they who were

called by word only;2516 and he who was compelled by the greater influ642ence of

fear to love, displayed that perfect love which casts out fear. 

What a pervertor of truth. What a serpent. How is the average human being the apostle Paul? How can be God's miraculous, but gentle intervention compared to fines, brutal tortures in prisons, public beatings and ostracizing? People are drawn by the VOICE of God, through HIS word, not through the sword. How many pagans were hardened against the gospel through the heavy hand of the "christian" emperors?

Wherefore, if the power which the Church has received by divine appointment in its

due season, through the religious character and the faith of kings, be the instrument

by which those who are found in the highways and hedges—that is, in heresies and

schisms—are compelled to come in, then let them not find fault with being

compelled, but consider whether they be so compelled.  The supper of the Lord is the

unity of the body of Christ, not only in the sacrament of the altar, but also in the

bond of peace.  Of the Donatists themselves, indeed, we can say that they compel no

man to any good thing; for whomsoever they compel, they compel to nothing else

but evil. 

  "let them not find fault with being

compelled"

Acts 8:36 

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

  He sought assistance, therefore, from the Christian emperor, not so much with any

desire of revenging himself, as with the view of defending the Church entrusted to his

charge.  And if he had omitted to do this, he would have deserved not to be praised

for his forbearance, but to be blamed for negligence.  For neither was the Apostle

Paul taking precautions on behalf of his own transitory life, but for the Church of

God when he caused the plot of those who had conspired to slay him to be made

known to the Roman captain, the effect of which was that he was conducted by an

escort of armed soldiers to the place where they proposed to send him, that he might

escape the ambush of his foes.2523  Nor did he for a moment hesitate to invoke the

protection of the Roman laws, proclaiming that he was a Roman citizen, who at that

time could not be scourged;2524 and again, that he might not be delivered to the

Jews who sought to kill him, he appealed to Cæsar,2525—a Roman emperor, indeed,

but not a Christian.  And by this he showed sufficiently plainly what was afterwards

to be the duty of the ministers of Christ, when in the midst of the dangers of the

Church they found the emperors Christians.  And hence therefore, it came about that

a religious and pious emperor, when such matters were brought to his knowledge,

thought it well, by the enactment of most pious laws, entirely to correct the error of

this great impiety, and to bring those who bore the standards of Christ against the

cause of Christ into the unity of the Catholic Church, even by terror and compulsion,

rather than merely to take away their power of doing violence, and to leave them the

freedom of going astray, and perishing in their error. 

 What a generous and pious emperor. Rather take away our life than leave us without salvation.

 

 Accordingly, when the great masses of the people had been received by the true

mother with rejoicing into her bosom, there remained outside cruel crowds,

persevering with unhappy animosity in that madness. 

People outside the mother - cruel crowds. Sounds a lil gnostic

 But we were consoled for the suffering inflicted on us by these evils, by the fruit

which resulted from them.  For wherever such deeds were committed by unbelievers,

there Christian unity has advanced with greater fervency and perfection, and the

Lord is praised with greater earnestness for having deigned to grant that His servants

might win their brethren by their sufferings, and might gather together into the peace of eternal salvation through His blood His sheep who were dispersed abroad in

deadly error. 

 

We are in our times again witnessing the mercantile use of Rome for the death of her "saints". Not much more than a tool for evangelism and ecumenical glue, by pulling the heart strings of the profane and unlearned

The Lord is powerful and full of compassion, to whom we daily praythat He will give repentance to the rest as well, that they may recover them645selves out of the snare of the devil, by whom they are taken captive at his will,2526 though now they only seek materials for calumniating us, and returning to us evil for good;because they have not the knowledge to make them understand what feelings and
love we continue to have towards them (???????), and how we are anxious, in accordance with
the injunction of the Lord, given to His pastors by the mouth of the prophet Ezekiel,to bring again that which was driven away, and to seek that which was lost.2527

he is right. we have no gnosis about the MOTHER.

 But if we consider what is said in the Book of Wisdom, "Therefore the righteous
spoiled the ungodly;"2534 and also what is said in the Proverbs, "The wealth of the
sinner is laid up for the just;"2535 then we shall see that the question is not, who are
in possession of the property of the heretics? but who are in the society of the just

Society of the jesuists.
Of course anyone outside the Church is a "sinner" and "ungodly" hence the vatican is the largest owner of gold and works of art. Not to mention property,  lands and hard cash, via its subsidiaries.

For there is nothing that justifieth save His body, which is the Church; and therefore,
if the body of Christ bears off the spoils of the unrighteous, and the riches of the
unrighteous are laid up in store as treasures for the body of Christ, the unrighteous
ought not therefore to remain outside, but rather to enter within, that so they may be justified.

 










True capitalism:  church = fortuna = fortune. Augustine, like a swiss knife, offering both the carrot and the stuick , using every trick in the book to fish out lost heretics.

1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Proverbs 16: 16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!
 

We also see how Augustine's concept of grace is only the grace dispensed by the church via the sacraments, i.e. no salvation outside church.

Let them not exalt themselves against the solicitude of their mother, which she both
has entertained and does entertain with the object of gathering within her bosom
themselves, and all the mighty nations whom they are, or recently were, deceiving;
at them not be puffed up with pride, that she receives them in such wise; let them not
attribute to the evil of their own exaltation the good which she on her part does in
order to make peace.

The motivation behind labelling all heretics "schismatics", even the quite distinct baptists (under all their names) , is that it matches the gnostic narrative of the "evil offspring" of Sophia, i.e. the archons, who must repent and come back (like "sabaoth") , or be damned forever.