Jesus-partisans-on-the-balkans: Augustine a mastermind of provokatsiya

сряда, 1 април 2015 г.

Augustine a mastermind of provokatsiya

note: It is straight absurd that dissenters/non-comformists or schismatics from the Catholic or the national Churches hold Augustine in so high regard. Augustine, if he was alive at the time of the reformation and since, would have surely burned at the stake all those reformed calvinist protestants, not to mention the puritans, who so credulously worship this pen of the infernal majesty.

Samir Duran, a major antagonist character in the game saga "Starcraft", who speaks with a North African accent. One of the shapeshifter, immortal servants of the archevil alien "Amon" ,who is coming back to destroy all life.

Donatus Magnus?

Later on he reappears as "Emil Narud", a North european looking servant of Amon , who informs the protagonists that Amon is coming back soon.

Martin Luther?

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First, some venom by the corruptor of souls and servant of the actual destroyers of the world.

Augustine - the venom of Rome
http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.com/2015/03/augustine-venom-of-rome.html

DonatISISts
http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.com/2015/03/guilty-by-association-donatisissts.html

Circumcellions

The Circumcellions or Agonisticis^[1]^[2] (as called by Donatists) were bands of Berbers considered as heretical^[3] Christian extremists in North Africa in the early- to mid-4th century.^[4] They were initially concerned with remedying social grievances, but they became linked with the Donatist sect.^[4]
...the Circumcellions would attack random travelers on the road, while shouting "Laudate Deum!" ("Praise God!" in Latin.)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions

The profile of the radical muslims was a concept in Augustine's head 200 years before Muhammad became the prophet of Islam. :

1. They were fanatical about martyrdom to the point of suicidal attacks.
2. They were fervently anti-Roman (Catholic).
3. They killed and maimed random people with shocking brutality.
4. They upheld strict legalistic rule in all their territories (as Sharia law)
5. They had a God-glorifying shout in battle (and martyrdom?) see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir

But....did they really exist, or were they only in the head of Augistine, who was just a shameless slanderer of epic proportions:

HISTORY OF THE DONATISTS

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CHAPTER 12

The Donatists Were Accused of a Confederacy
with the Circumcellions

.....But nowhere, except in the original Latin, have I seen any mention of them, in any manner.......

...............It is a fact worthy of notice that in all Augustine's descriptions of the foul deeds ascribed to the Circumcellions, whether by themselves or in the reputed company of the Donatists, that he has never mentioned one name, nor the time, nor place, nor any of the circumstances connected with their lawless transactions........................

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/benedict/donatists/ch12.htm

And if they existed... what was their purpose if not PROVOKATSIYA, a false flag, to proke a retaliation that would vanquish the North african revolt of the largely pacifist donatists?

The mere fact that so little has been written on and by this major "protestant" movement should raise eyebrows in those who call themselves true christians.

"Focused on ISIS" - 6: Provokatsiya.
http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.com/2015/03/focused-on-isis-6-provokatsiya.html

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Douglas Andrew Willinger1 април 2015 г. в 17:24
My College, Hillsdale had a "Christian" studies program that was heavily pro Roman Catholic, which IIRC placed Augustine in high regard. Yet Hiillsdale College started out as founded by Free Will Baptists.

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2007/06/hillsdale-college-what-30-years-war.html

That was the very first post of CCR back in 2007.
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Христо Стилиянов2 април 2015 г. в 2:03
Doug, my wife got saved by that verse you claim was changed/added by Rome. She believed in reincarnation for a long time by reading different material from Buddhist religion to "alternative" gospels.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The book of Hebrews destroys catholic sacramentalism (the eucharist - the sacrifice of Jesus on the altar every day - see Heb 7:27; 9:12, 24-26; 10:10,12), so I see no reason they should use that book specifically when it goes against one of their major salvific doctrines. They try to get around it, but can't.

The doctrine of the resurrection, which is a great promise, precludes and speculation of reincarnation, even in the OT the eternal resurrection and damnation were believed and expected as ends for the two classes of men - the godly believers and the ungodly (Ps 11:16; 17:15 ; 89:29; Job 10:21; 18:14-21; 19:25-26 and others)

We had this discussion with avles that the Catholic church actually DEFENDED many solid doctrines like the trinity to present itself the champion and pillar of christendom, while it insidiously buried biblical salvation. It was the cunningness of the devil to uphold certain scriptural truths, but cleverly cover the shining gem of the pure unadulterated faith in the gospel under a mountain of vain traditions. Rome is happy to agree with anyone on anything except the doctrine of salvation and the primacy of the papacy. Now, unlike Christ, RCC uses the fear of death to control, blacmail people, but Christ actually removes that fear with assurance of our salvation (Mark 4:40; Luke 10:20; Rom 8:33; John 8:32; 20:31; 1 John 1:4; 4:18; Heb 2:15 )

I must say, you are throwing the baby with the bath water on this one.

Augustine did provide some good explanations of sin, predestination and the trinity. However people are mistaken to view his understanding of grace as biblical, he just said "look, there is no salvation outside the church, therefore we must get everyone in, even by violent means" . Most importantly, he was of a persecuting spirit and used deception and corruption of scripture to build an ecclesiology that propelled the Harlot church.

Many bible colleges started out fine, by good baptist pastors and teachers, but in the last 50-60 years they all degenerated to RCC's biblical skepticism and ecumenism.
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Douglas Andrew Willinger2 април 2015 г. в 9:40
A "man" is the sum of a body and spirit. Thereby yes a "man" dies once, and as a man is a sum of body and spirit, that does not deny reincarnation. That it is so read against reincarnation is but a prime example of the dominant cryto-Romanism that is also seen in such publications as 'Gospel of Liberty' which was neither with how they so sold out to Rome on the pharmacratic inquisition.

The Buddhists don't recognize reincarnation of whole spirits, rather they believe in spirits breaking apart and recombining into new ones, which is something that I don't accept.

Nor do I accept the Buddhist faith. For one thing it is way to into repetitious prayers and idolatry. And I have seen too many people involved with it behave as if possessed by demons, including a sister of mine who is extremely intolerant of people who don't agree with her, in such things as practically worshiping Yoko Ono and Gloria Steinem- all of who I suspect joined some 'club' to get such devotion. My sister has even at times exclaimed that Gloria Steinen was a lie against women, but then will revert back to her previous adoration of her, as if affected by some strange magic.

"Now, unlike Christ, RCC uses the fear of death to control, blackmail people, but Christ actually removes that fear with assurance of our salvation"

Agreed.

So what about all the people that would get turned away from Jesus because of the Inquisition-Counter Reformation- crytpto Romanist 'Baptists' etc?

Would God simply grant them only one incarnation?

Or rather more, so that more people, or perhaps everyone is alive during the latter days.
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Douglas Andrew Willinger2 април 2015 г. в 9:42
The so called Holy Communion ritual, IMHO is a form of satanic black magic, as I suspect that most or all of the RCC rituals are, including the 'monstrace'.
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avles24 декември 2015 г. в 8:58
"note: It is straight absurd that dissenters/non-comformists or schismatics from the Catholic or the national Churches hold Augustine in so high regard. "

" How about that? This Donatist preached our sermon before we ever had it. Thank God for Benedict's History of the Donatists! How sad that we hear Augustine praised in so many Baptist churches today. He was the enemy of truth and the cause of thousands of Donatists (and Baptists later on) being martyred. Benedict lists several writers from among the Donatists who opposed him. Get his book if possible. Mine is not for sale. "

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/hisel.bapt.hst.ntbk.chpt7.html
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avles25 декември 2015 г. в 5:57
Interesting consideration by a commenter about the Augustine's slanders:

candle says:
May 15, 2007 at 4:55 pm

Speaking as a lurking heresiologist, redirected here from Making Light, I have to say that the picture of the circumcellions is pretty unlikely. I haven’t read Brent Shaw’s chapter as linked to above, but AFAIK all the stories about the circumcellions derive from Augustine and Optatus of Milevis, who were not exactly the most impartial witnesses.
So the image of the circumcellions looks to me like a confection of exactly the kind of thing you would say about the bandits on the road from Hippo to Carthage, especially if they were associated with a church that you were desperate to portray as fanatical (because they regarded the Catholics as unreasonably lax), and especially if it was in your interest to make them seem lower-class and uneducated and generally risible.
Aha: here is a different version of Brent Shaw’s piece, which adds more sources only to dismiss them, but which otherwise says much the same thing.
I don’t know about the “Israelites” thing, though.
candle says:
May 15, 2007 at 6:00 pm

Sorry to post again: having read Brent Shaw’s piece more closely it strikes me that his dismissal of the Augustinian De Haeresibus looks rather like special pleading. I don’t think that the argument will work that it was, in effect, written by Augustine in a fit of absence of mind. Clearly he actively wanted to present circumcellions as suicidal fanatics.
The explanation is probably in his Letter 185, in which he is setting out to defend the use of judicial coercion in converting Donatists to the “Catholic” church. (See especially paragraph 23.) To make this argument work – and it evidently caused disquiet at the time, or he wouldn’t have had to write and preserve the letter – he needs to establish the Donatists as not only heretics but also criminals. So first of all he links them with the omnipresent bandits on the roads of North Africa, who may well have been Donatists if only because it was a popular cause, especially among the less Romanised population. Then he needs to neutralise the powerful claim that the Donatists have to be a rigorous church of martyrs (which was already part of their claim, and was about to get a lot of fuel with judicial trials raising the spectre of the Great Persecution again). This was best done by defining what they did as not martyrdom but suicide – and making it self-evidently pointless and ludicrous.
So Augustine is faced with a potential martyr church with popular support among the lower classes; and he is trying to justify a policy of judicial coercion, to a man (Count Boniface) who is obviously a high-ranking Roman official (even if North African in origin). It seems to me that these are precisely the terms in which you would most effectively portray them. And even then, Augustine is forced to rely on telling stories without giving any real details, and which (in one case) he frankly admits are little more than rumours. I doubt you could have found a single contemporary “circumcellion” who would have fitted the description.
Of course, none of this is amenable to proof and you may prefer to trust Augustine. But it looks to me that the whole modern image comes from a very credulous, and to my mind implausible, reading of the evidence. And this is stuff I care about.
So you probably didn’t want all this here, and the myth is fun in itself, but I thought it might be worth saying.
http://languagehat.com/circumcellion/#comment-2193287
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avles25 декември 2015 г. в 6:28
Other interesting source - Circumcelliones as a fabrication in order to neutralize the reproaches of Donatists against Catholics for the age of Macarious:

http://www.pbministries.org/History/David%20Benedict/donatists_12.htm

" The concessions of Augustine to Donatist bishops, by their tenor and implication were sufficient to neutralize all his charges of the confederacy of the Donatists with the Circumcellions in all sorts of crimes. But the following concession is still more to the point: You, said Augustine, complain loudly of Macarius and Macarian times; and we do the same of the Circumcellions.5 That the design in this announcement was an offset in reproaches, on the principle of retaliation, is sufficiently plain on the face of the terms, but Augustine elsewhere said, that while the Donatists reproached his people with Macarian times, he would reproach them with the wicked and savage deeds of the Circumcellions.

As Augustine has never given his readers any detailed accounts of the bad men, a late historian has described them in the following terms: "They were lawless ruffians, the refuse of Africa, of no sect and probably of no faith." Such is the description of the Circumcellions by Waddington in his Church History, a clergyman of the English church, who was well acquainted with all ancient church history, and who does not appear to have been partial to the Donatists, as a dissenting community."
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avles25 декември 2015 г. в 6:39
"IN THE RICH MOTHER LODE OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LATIN EPIGRAPHICAL TEXTS FROM AFRICA, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CIRCUMCELLIONS SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST......THE PLAIN FACT IS THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THESE SECTARIAN GANGSTERS WERE AN IDEOLOGICAL CONSTRUCT WHICH LIVED ON IN PRECISE KINDS OF WRITINGS AND NOWHERE ELSE." - page 630 - 631, ch. 14., "Bad Boys", in:

Sacred Violence: African Christians and Sectarian Hatred ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0521196051
Brent D. Shaw - 2011 - ‎History
The involvement of circumcellion gangs in the religious violence of the age is a well-documented phenomenon. These armed enforcers damaged and destroyed ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F8ZRPTgcjrcC&pg=PA630&lpg=PA630&dq=Circumcellions&source=bl&ots=C5mtyttm33&sig=DZASTd1Y_ccvyGKAD60PBHNNtDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ3faznffJAhWC1RoKHbrUDmk4FBDoAQgiMAE#v=onepage&q=Circumcellions&f=false
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